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Posted on Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:44 pm
Lightbringer Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 293	DanielH wrote: What do you think exists that can't be perceived? A Calabi-Yau manifold! Let's see you percieve a 6th dimensional structure wrapped up in itself so it seems like a 0-dimensional point in space I would contend that neither the subconscious or conscious mind are fully physically only partially so. Both expresses natural drives and impulses which are directly recieved from the body but there is also the added elements which are seen as "what makes us human" as opposed to primal beasts. The source of such abstract concepts is up for debate and has yet to be found. We know it correlates with the fact our brainwaves are incredibly ordered and coherent but we don't know the mechanism behind this coherence. It may be physical or it may not be, we'll see once the Neuron Dogma has undergone the changes it's undergoing now (which could take years ).
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Posted on Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:47 pm
DanielH Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 479	Lightbringer wrote: DanielH wrote: What do you think exists that can't be perceived? A Calabi-Yau manifold! Let's see you percieve a 6th dimensional structure wrapped up in itself so it seems like a 0-dimensional point in space I would contend that neither the subconscious or conscious mind are fully physically only partially so. Both expresses natural drives and impulses which are directly recieved from the body but there is also the added elements which are seen as "what makes us human" as opposed to primal beasts. The source of such abstract concepts is up for debate and has yet to be found. We know it correlates with the fact our brainwaves are incredibly ordered and coherent but we don't know the mechanism behind this coherence. It may be physical or it may not be, we'll see once the Neuron Dogma has undergone the changes it's undergoing now (which could take years ). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Calabi-Yau.jpeg You mean that? Animals can think and learn too. What exactly are you talking about?
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Posted on Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:00 pm
Lightbringer Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 293	The Calabi Yau manifold is not percievable even though it is a complex universe in itself consisting of 6 spatial dimensions. However in our 3 dimensional world, they are percieved as infinitesmally small points. You asked for something that we couldn't percieve, so there you go. As for the difference between humans and animals, I was referring to consciousness and all the things that result from it as opposed to raw instinct.
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Posted on Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:20 am
Tankdown Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 688	To know what is the true difference from humans and animals even on that level would require of knowing of what is "human". Which I believe none of us can answer that. But some of it I do agree with you. I don't think a solid dimensional level of that can ever be reach, everything is normaly connected one way or after even if it small. Somethng about the whole thing seems to fishy to me to be true, So I'm going to think over it and watch this discussion move on some more.
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Posted on Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:08 am
JOHNNYBEGOOD Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 354	Lightbringer wrote: The Calabi Yau manifold is not percievable even though it is a complex universe in itself consisting of 6 spatial dimensions. However in our 3 dimensional world, they are percieved as infinitesmally small points. You asked for something that we couldn't percieve, so there you go. As for the difference between humans and animals, I was referring to consciousness and all the things that result from it as opposed to raw instinct. Conciousness is merely a more complex version of instinct. We operate on desires influenced by chemical imbalances in our body. When we are exposed to a certain stimulus, however slight, the stimulus evokes a thought pattern that branches off and eventually stops at a certain point. This happens thousands, if not millions of times simultaneously through different parts of the brain.
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Posted on Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:59 am
Mordak Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 33	Hi Dan, for something that can't be perceive, you can read my post on dark matter thread. Machines results are also flawed picture of a reality. Dosen't mean that they are not usefull. "And can't a subjective thing see what something is really like? I think it can." Again, very presumptuous. A subjective approach allows a subjective results. The "thing" you study will be really like the way you study it, it will not "look" like it really is. " What in reality can't be categorized, studied, measured, etc?" Nothing else of what you can think of. But a category is already a human choice and it will give only a perspective view. Mordak
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Posted on Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:02 pm
Lightbringer Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 293	JOHNNYBEGOOD wrote: As for the difference between humans and animals, I was referring to consciousness and all the things that result from it as opposed to raw instinct. Conciousness is merely a more complex version of instinct. We operate on desires influenced by chemical imbalances in our body. When we are exposed to a certain stimulus, however slight, the stimulus evokes a thought pattern that branches off and eventually stops at a certain point. This happens thousands, if not millions of times simultaneously through different parts of the brain.[/quote] Well, that's the easy way of living. Unfortunately most people do live in such ruts of reaction and without true spontaneous action. But just because people are lazy and are secure in their mediocre existences doesn't mean all people are that same way. Nor are those mediocre people incapable of true spontenaity. Of course proving or disproving your point has a catch because you assume "Well, some stimulus MUST have caused that action." and then look for reasons to back up that assumption. You'll always be able to find reasons for something but whether or not that's the driving force behind every single decision you analyze is hardly something that can be verified. So it seems such a point can only be brought to a stalemate by logic, only experience can show the difference.
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Posted on Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:46 pm
JOHNNYBEGOOD Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 354	It doesn't have to be an external stimulus. It could be an internal stiumuls. Hell, the stimulus could even be another thought!
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Posted on Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:12 pm
Tankdown Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 688	Someone once said Quote: Experience is a after word for mistakes I tend to find that instinct comes from emotional valures of the subject themselfs that past on from there parents. I also think emotions comes from a deeper root of logical processing. All rooted down to the main element, memory. The human brain is much larger then most animals and it seems that the only reason why we have surpior intellect is memory. Of cource thats not close of what is needed. I'll just leave this information unanswerd, lol
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