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Posted on Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:08 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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ChorZ wrote:

^ What about Heat, i'm sure that's not Kinetic Energy.

Heat is like basic kinetic energy. Like seriously just vibrating particles. I think johnny is fogetting quanta though which in definition are discrete packets of energy. Light has a velocity AND energy in it's discrete quanta. I think...

Posted on Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:37 am

mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

JOHNNYBEGOOD wrote:

I don't think it's possible for everything to be energy. In the end, energy is simply kinetic force. How can matter be made of energy?

Well, we do have the equation of doom, e = mc^2

:\ which, when converted, means if you took a gram of mass, and converted it to energy, you'd have alot.

Posted on Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:06 am

ChorZ

Joined: 02 Aug 2006
Posts: 55

Niushirra wrote:

Heat is like basic kinetic energy.

Posted on Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:26 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 299

ChorZ wrote:

Niushirra wrote:

Heat is like basic kinetic energy.

No, you're a retard. Heat is vibration of particles. Vibrations are movement.

Posted on Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:41 pm

Tankdown

Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 688

Energy can be more of just Kentic energy, if all energy made heat, then gravity and space itself would give off heat. True nothing can reach absolut 0, but things like space are seperate from us, and they don't give off heat. But I guess you can use the mircowave background as some silly evidence to support space having heat...but that wouldnt make much sense.

Unless I'm missing something, not all energy gives off heat.

Posted on Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:32 am

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 356

mattz1010 wrote:

JOHNNYBEGOOD wrote:

I don't think it's possible for everything to be energy. In the end, energy is simply kinetic force. How can matter be made of energy?

Well, we do have the equation of doom, e = mc^2

:\ which, when converted, means if you took a gram of mass, and converted it to energy, you'd have alot.

Not really. It states an equivalence between energy (E) and mass (m), in direct proportion to the square of the speed of light in a vacuum (c2).

" The equation was first derived (in a slightly different formulation) in 1905 by Albert Einstein, in what are known as his Annus Mirabilis ("Wonderful Year") Papers. In these, he showed that a unified four-dimensional model of space and time ("spacetime") could accurately describe observable phenomena in a way that was consistent with Galileo's Principle of Relativity, but also accounted for the constant speed of light. His special theory of relativity ultimately showed that the traditional (Euclidean-Galilean) assumption of absolute time and distance was incorrect, and, as a consequence, that mass and energy are different only in form. "

That is how everything is energy.

Posted on Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:47 pm

mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

I was speaking mathematically, anal-man.

Mathematically, it means that mass times the speed of light squared equals energy.

Of course, when converting from one form to another, you have to factor in efficienty. Like with burning wood. You still have most of the log left.

Posted on Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:37 pm

sgtpsion

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 425

Y'know, if someone somehow figured out how to convert raw Psi energy into matter, and turn matter cleanly and efficiently into Psi energy, we could develop a perfect means of production and waste disposal.

Imagine someone with electro-PK. They turn garbage and other waste into Psi, then pump that Psi into a grid system or capacitors as electricity. Might sound kinda fluffy, but it would be cool, no?

Posted on Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:49 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 299

sgtpsion wrote:

It would take a lot of energy to intiate this conversion and I don't see a psi process that could even cause this to happen. Of course we don't know enough about quantum physics yet to say it's impossible.

Posted on Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:49 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 356

Niushirra wrote:

sgtpsion wrote:

There have actually been recorded accounts of this. A man named Sathya Sai Baba, a sixty-four year old Indian holy man, is said to have these abilities, and many more. Supposedly he can materialize specific objects at request. He hands out costly rings, jewels and objects made of gold as gifts to the throngs who visit him daily and who venerate him as a saint. (The gold and everything else has proven to be 100% real. 22k the few times it was tested) He also materializes an endless supply of Indian delacacies and sweets, and out of his hands pours volumes of vibuti (sacred ash). These events have been witnessed by literally thousands of individuals including both scientists and magicians, and noone has ever detected any hint of trickery. One scientist has spent over 10 years researching him and wrote a book about him. (Modern Miracles: An Investigative Report on Psychic Phenomena Associated with Sathya Sai Baba) Some of the food he produces can sometimes be so sizzling hot people cannot even hold it yet. He can make syrup and oils pour from his hands and feet without any trace of the substance on his skin when he's done. Even make rare fruit (That cannot even be found in the part of india he lives) like rice with perfectly carved pics on them, and apples that when peeled, turn out to be an apple on one side, and another fruit on the other. Everytime he walks amoung the crowds that gather, he continually pours huge amounts of this sacred ash on outstretched hands, buckets, heads..everywhere. In one walk he produces enough to fill several drums and Dr. Karlis Osis (Director of research, American society for Psychical research), and psychologist Erlendur Haraldsson (University of iceland) saw the ash in the process of materializing. They said it 1st appeared under his palms(turned downward) in the form of granules, that crumbled into ash when touched.(Eliminates the possibility of sleight of hand) They say it's not the result of mass hypnosis because everything he does are open-air demonstrations that he freely allows to be [b]filmed and everything shows up on tape. Shocked

[/b] The production of specific objects, the rarity of some of the objetcs, the hotness of the food, and the sheer volume of materializations seem to rule against deception as a possibility. Not only that, but he's been doing it for 50 years! Since he was 14, and noone has come forward with credible evidance he's faking his abilities. Untarnished reputation for 50 years is pretty good I'd say. It is said he also has the ability that shamans rarely share, to be in two places at once. It's said at the snap of a finger he could dissapear from right in front of your face, to hundreds of metres away in the blink of an eye. There have also been many other accounts of meetings with Hindu ascetics who could materialize similar objects.

Moral of the story, materialization may not be as hard as you think Wink

. It's also just very cool info. Think I'll make a thread about it.

Posted on Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:36 pm

sgtpsion

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 425

If you can find out how he did this stuff, it would be greatly appreciated.

Posted on Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:11 am

mattz1010

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 885

derricktheone wrote:

*snip*

I'd actually like to see some videos or something. :\

I'm incredibly skeptical about this.

Posted on Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:20 pm

Niushirra

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 299

mattz1010 wrote:

derricktheone wrote:

*snip*

I'd actually like to see some videos or something. :\

I'm incredibly skeptical about this.

You should be damn skeptical because so far he's shown no damn proof. A book and some information about him. SOOOOO what. If you can find a video that would be slightly better or a picture of one of dem crazy fruits. It would be better, not good. Someday I'll go visit him or get one of the fruits. Also, I would like to know if anybody donates things or money to him at all.

Posted on Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:31 pm

sgtpsion

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 425

I was looking for proof in a more underhanded way. I asked for methods, which I intended to try out ofr myself with an open mind. If they worked, then I'd know he was legit. If they didn't after repeated attemps, then I could comfortably dismiss him as being a VERY good illusionist.

Not like my believing in him or not makes any difference to anyone except me, at any rate...

Posted on Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:18 pm

derricktheone

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 356

Niushirra wrote:

mattz1010 wrote:

derricktheone wrote:

*snip*

I'd actually like to see some videos or something. :\

I'm incredibly skeptical about this.

Ofcourse you should be skeptical. I'd expect you to be. I didn't give you proof because I don't care to. I wasn't trying to prove anything to you, I was just telling you about somthing I found interesting. You would most likely find the most "proof" you need, in the book written about him. Rolling Eyes

And to SGTPSION I doubt he tells about his methods because they're probably way over the average person's head. Due to his religious beliefs he most likely would not tell anyone either unless they're his disciple/apprentice, or somthing like that. Same kind of idea as being a shaman. Shamans only teach other shamans, who must be tested and initiated. He's not exactly going to sign up for psipog and write an article for everyone.

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