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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:37 am

Roy

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 416

Mad_Hatter wrote:
Hey guys...enough with the flames. While DanialH may not be particularly nice with his skepticism or enforcing of the rules, he is enforcing what the rules say. Also, while I actually agree with MartialArtist and the whole energy as a food idea, it isn't unreasonable to ask for proof of such an amazing feat. I remember reading a while back about a guy who went for sixty day increments eating virtually nothing. (He experimented with small portions of one food to study the effect) Sadly, I can't remember where I saw this, so I'm not presenting it as proof.

Just remember, proof is a good thing to have for extraordinary claims.


I remember reading about an Indian man who was tested by NASA. The man reportedly went for around 180 days without eating solid foods, and instead received sustaining energy via the sun through some obscure yogic method (i think, i could be mistaken on the "yogic" part). The man did however have tea and coffee, and cigarettes.

However, when you compare this man to edwardHowl, the man at least claims to have a somewhat believable source of nutrition during the fasting period. Supposedly he was working off of some photosynthetic effect. I believe it had something to do with sunlight and the pineal gland. I'm still a bit fuzzy on his explanation of how it worked, but I believe that this is the jist of it.

On the other hand, edwardHowl claims to have not eaten for a month. While that is certainly possible, it's not recommended. As Melia correctly noted, a lack of nutritional intake will turn the body on itself, digesting stored fats first, and then moving onto muscle and other tissues for sustenance.

MartialArtist wrote:
You just weren't hungry because the quantity and quality of your meditations provided your body with energy, but you did not force your body not to eat, you just didn't feel the need anymore. If it comes automatically like this, I believe it can do you no harm, it will only do you good and your body will lose alot of toxins and become stronger, fitter and healthier.


Pure and unsubstantiated bullshit. You do not get calories out of thin air. The meditation may have staved off edwardHowl's appetite, but there is nothing to suggest that he was being sustained by energy, more likely by stored fats.

edwardHowl, I would suggest you check out some books and articles on fasting if you wish to make it part of your lifestyle. I agree that fasting here and there is a good way to purge the body, but it should not be done willy-nilly and without explicit knowledge of the entire process. I suggest the same for anyone else who has read or is reading this thread and has become inspired to fast. Educate yourself.
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:15 am

ShadowWolfX

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 507

Indeed Roy, I forget which arabic culture does such, but they have Romadon where they fast, that may be a good source to look up how to properly do it, or look up Ceaser Chavez.
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:34 pm

edwardHowl

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 47

i hear thinking things through is the hip thing to do, so, lets do so
lets first look at some definitions

Energy - The ability to do work

Ok, so the large amount of us on this site can agree, that doing work on, lets say a psiwheel, you are using energy.

Calorie - A unit used to represent the amount of heat needed to raise 1 gram of water by 1? C

Well, now it is questionable, but i believe there are some who can effect the heat of objects, lets say wicks of candles, and are able to heat them up to the point of combustion (which i might add is alot more than a one degree change.)

well, from this, it seems that one would be able to create calories...

i will recognize this argument, however, which i havent even seen clearly raised yet;
but ed, by exerting energy outwards onto an object to create heat, wouldnt that energy come from within, by burning calories? and havent many fellows on the site claimed to get hungry or fatigued after preforming pk and other related tasks?

good point me
i feel that energy can be drawn from natural sources, such as the earth, sun, or any of the elements as well as from eating, breathing, or drinking
so i feel one could draw such energy and continue to do the work needed in one's body to create calories

but this view is stepping into the unknown, so i cannot justify it, like many other things on this site

~edward
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:41 pm

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
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Do you know what ATP is? Do you know how it's made?
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:04 pm

Mad_Hatter

Joined: 19 Feb 2006
Posts: 393

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well, from this, it seems that one would be able to create calories...

i will recognize this argument, however, which i havent even seen clearly raised yet;
but ed, by exerting energy outwards onto an object to create heat, wouldnt that energy come from within, by burning calories? and havent many fellows on the site claimed to get hungry or fatigued after preforming pk and other related tasks?

good point me
i feel that energy can be drawn from natural sources, such as the earth, sun, or any of the elements as well as from eating, breathing, or drinking
so i feel one could draw such energy and continue to do the work needed in one's body to create calories


It is a fairly logical assumption to assume that you are converting the energy from some bodily reserve. It only becomes a flawed assumption if one is able to draw from other sources. That particular idea, however, has some very hard to answer questions inherent within it.

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i feel that energy can be drawn from natural sources, such as the earth, sun, or any of


That is the million dollar assumption. I personally agree, but as far as your idea goes, if that isn't true, then the energy does come from you. Which would put this whole topic down, because then it would just make it normal fasting, limits and all. So if we assume that this is true, how do you think the body would convert that energy? What form does it take when you draw it from planets? Heat? How does your body use it? I'd like to know.

I decided to take the skeptical view on something I believe this time around. I simply want to know how this idea of converting energy from other things, an idea which has always seemed to me very tough to explain, works.
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:18 pm

pepsiboy

Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 562

DanielH wrote:
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you are not a doctor either. are you? well then... research Gandhi since you have an internet connection and i know that for a fact.


- pepsiboy

No, I'm not a doctor. I'm not making bullshit claims though. A quick search says that he only fasted for twentyone days sometime. Do you have anything longer?


exactly.. and he used it as a method to get outta JAIL. now thats some PSI skillz.. just joshing. but seriously that man was skin bones and brain err.. mind.. whichever.
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:12 pm

edwardHowl

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 47

Mad_Hatter wrote:


I decided to take the skeptical view on something I believe this time around. I simply want to know how this idea of converting energy from other things, an idea which has always seemed to me very tough to explain, works.


i unfortunately dont have the technologies, equipment, or money to answer this question.
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Posted on Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:13 pm

Mad_Hatter

Joined: 19 Feb 2006
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i unfortunately dont have the technologies, equipment, or money to answer this question.


*Sigh* As I thought. It is a difficult question to answer. If anybody else cares to hazard an idea as to how this works? (Or if you don't think it works, why it can't work)
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:32 am

Roy

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 416

edwardHowl wrote:
i hear thinking things through is the hip thing to do, so, lets do so
lets first look at some definitions

Energy - The ability to do work

Ok, so the large amount of us on this site can agree, that doing work on, lets say a psiwheel, you are using energy.

Calorie - A unit used to represent the amount of heat needed to raise 1 gram of water by 1? C

Well, now it is questionable, but i believe there are some who can effect the heat of objects, lets say wicks of candles, and are able to heat them up to the point of combustion (which i might add is alot more than a one degree change.)

well, from this, it seems that one would be able to create calories...

i will recognize this argument, however, which i havent even seen clearly raised yet;
but ed, by exerting energy outwards onto an object to create heat, wouldnt that energy come from within, by burning calories? and havent many fellows on the site claimed to get hungry or fatigued after preforming pk and other related tasks?

good point me
i feel that energy can be drawn from natural sources, such as the earth, sun, or any of the elements as well as from eating, breathing, or drinking
so i feel one could draw such energy and continue to do the work needed in one's body to create calories

but this view is stepping into the unknown, so i cannot justify it, like many other things on this site

~edward


Sure, energy is the ability to do work. You don't create calories. A calorie is just a unit of heat. We create heat, though. The heat we create is what roughly converts to energy. So we'll do this simply:

I eat a hamburger. That hamburger is said to have 500 calories in it. That means that when I digest it, I have 500 calories worth of nutrients. Now I decide to go workout, and I jog for 10 minutes. Those 10 minutes of jogging expends 500 calories worth of energy. Here we have equilibrium: I eat enough calories to provide me with enough energy during the day, and I expend enough calories to keep me from storing unwanted calories.

When you don't eat anything, you have no calories from ingested foods ready for use. A failsafe in the human body is the digestion of stored fats and then, if a long enough time has passed, other tissues of the human body. Pulling energy from other objects would have to introduce readily available nutrients to the body that can be digested and converted to energy for use. Last time I checked, there is no mechanism for the human body to create nutrients from thin air like this.

As I mentioned before, the closest thing I'd heard regarding this would be the Indian man tested by NASA who claims to produce energy through some photosynthetic effect. If I recall correctly, the method he'd use is something akin to standing barefoot in fresh soil while staring at the sun twice a day (just as the sun is rising and then just as it is setting so he doesn't burn out his retinas). It seems, though, that these claims have yet to be confirmed.
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:09 am

edwardHowl

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 47

i understand how eating works, thank you

you say, the heat we create rougly converts to energy, so how about this, we drink water, and heat it using a pk, by accelerating the atoms, moving them more quickly
thus we would create heat, that our bodies could 'roughly' use

if were still hung up on the arguement that i pointed out, that we can only use psi from energy we gain from food calories and energy we put into our bodies, then i feel were at an endpass

i would like to know if you agree or disagree with the above statement, our energy exerted through psi (if you believe that psi exists) cannot exceed the energy recieved from food, air, or beverage
and if you disagree i would like a clear statement of how you feel, not an explanation of food
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:15 am

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 479

Quote:
i understand how eating works, thank you

you say, the heat we create rougly converts to energy, so how about this, we drink water, and heat it using a pk, by accelerating the atoms, moving them more quickly
thus we would create heat, that our bodies could 'roughly' use

if were still hung up on the arguement that i pointed out, that we can only use psi from energy we gain from food calories and energy we put into our bodies, then i feel were at an endpass

i would like to know if you agree or disagree with the above statement, our energy exerted through psi (if you believe that psi exists) cannot exceed the energy recieved from food, air, or beverage
and if you disagree i would like a clear statement of how you feel, not an explanation of food


- edwardHowl

Heat it using PK by using more energy? So we use up energy to get just about... nothing... sounds logical.

Generally you can't use more energy than you have... :/
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:23 am

edwardHowl

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 47

indeed daniel
but do you feel you can draw energy from other sources, besides food?
as to create a heat to be used as energy, without the food?
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:25 am

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 479

Sure. I think that's what those IV things are for. I don't think those are considered food, so perhaps.
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:28 am

edwardHowl

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 47

IV's put medicine into the body, not food
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Posted on Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:30 am

DanielH

Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Posts: 479

That was sort of the point... it might have gone over your head though...
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