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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:30 am
Lizndax Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 120	DanielH wrote: Try to use some logic in your posts please. I have an open mind. I'm willing to believe in chakras. As long as there is evidence supporting their existence. Should I believe something you say because you offer eternal life, unimaginable riches, and so on? That's what you're saying, right? I'm not angry or selfish. I'm trying to keep the forum straight. I'm not the one who makes unbased claim after unbased claim. Like I said... try to use some logic. So, because I don't have a PhD in a subject means I can't find errors in it? I don't need to be a certified scientist in something to find an error in it. If I read a paper that said "Evolution is the cause of some guy spitting on some primordial soup" I will be able to spot the error(s) in it. Don't you agree? You lack A LOT of logic in your posts and it shows well... try to fix that I hope you pardon my off-topic ness, but Daniel, what areas of psionics do you practice mainly?
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:34 am
randywm Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 510	DanielH wrote: Lightbringer wrote: I admire MA's attempt to put forth his views but I think he's learning what I have recently learned from debating with DanielH. You can not enlighten those who do not want to be. No matter how many benefits you present, they will always find that their fears of the unknown (chakras in this case) will hold them back. That fear is the cause of the anger that you perceive as "looking out for the community" Peebrain. I assure you the motive for it is purely selfish. Personally, I've now taken the attitude of "Your ignorance is not my responsibility to remedy" and DanielH and Roy have demonstrated why I take that view. I've also stopped asking for proof because I, as well as everyone else on this site, lack the experience and expertise to actually be able to verify whether the literature provided (when it is provided) is in fact proof. I know what is and isn't real because of my own personal experience, but I am certainly not the only one who is unable to find errors in a scientific paper because this is a site for psions and hobby-parapsychologists, not scientists. Hold yourselves in as high esteem as you like, your attitudes of having all the answers and demanding constant proof to change your views are nothing more than ego trips. Such behaviour is no doubt the result of closed chakras. Try to use some logic in your posts please. I have an open mind. I'm willing to believe in chakras. As long as there is evidence supporting their existence. Should I believe something you say because you offer eternal life, unimaginable riches, and so on? That's what you're saying, right? I'm not angry or selfish. I'm trying to keep the forum straight. I'm not the one who makes unbased claim after unbased claim. Like I said... try to use some logic. So, because I don't have a PhD in a subject means I can't find errors in it? I don't need to be a certified scientist in something to find an error in it. If I read a paper that said "Evolution is the cause of some guy spitting on some primordial soup" I will be able to spot the error(s) in it. Don't you agree? You lack A LOT of logic in your posts and it shows well... try to fix that Is there hard evidence of telekinesis? What about telepathy? I know you guys know how hard it is to prove something psionic. I say leave the beliefs alone. They do not need to prove anything to you. Did you need proof to get interested in psionics in general? They believe in chakras, so what? I am sure that your lives are not in disarray because someone believes in chakras. Let it be.
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:34 am
DanielH Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 479	randywm wrote: Wow...Why are they being dickheads to Martial Artist? Roy, why do you ask for proof they exist for only chakras? Why not Telepathy, telekinesis, or empathy? If you dont believe in those I am highly dubious of the reason that you are on these forums. I'm not being a dickhead to him. Sure, I think he's a fucking moron... but I think that's the first time I've said that in a while. I don't know why Dai (Roy) doesn't ask for proof... but I don't because I've seen plenty of it in the past.
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:45 am
randywm Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 510	You've seen solid evidence for telekinesis,telepathy and empathy? Please present it to us so we can show the science community and finally be accepted!
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:47 am
DanielH Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 479	randywm wrote: You've seen solid evidence for telekinesis,telepathy and empathy? Please present it to us so we can show the science community and finally be accepted! Go check out Joe's posts. He posted a bunch of stuff before.
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:28 pm
somefatguy Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1187	Arguing is all fine and dandy but name-calling towards a person isn't necessary.
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:20 pm
randywm Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 510	Psionics has never got people interested in it because they had proof it exists. If there was proof im sure many other people would be practicing it. This is a highly unknown field to everyone involved with it. There really isnt proof of anything at all involving psionics. For all you know chakras could be more real than you could ever imagine. I personally dont believe in them either. I still keep open minded about the subject. I suggest. This is sounding a lot like a hardcore skeptic debate. You guys remember some of the hardcore skeptics we have had here. How frustrating it was because we couldnt prove it. We didnt need proof because we know its real. You guys are sounding a lot like them, demanding proof and not researching yourself.
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Posted on Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:20 pm
DanielH Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 479	Just because something has proof backing it up doesn't mean a lot of people will be interested in it. Read through Joe's posts anyway.
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Posted on Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:03 am
neveza Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 1147	randywm wrote: Psionics has never got people interested in it because they had proof it exists. If there was proof im sure many other people would be practicing it. This is a highly unknown field to everyone involved with it. There really isnt proof of anything at all involving psionics. For all you know chakras could be more real than you could ever imagine. I personally dont believe in them either. I still keep open minded about the subject. I suggest. This is sounding a lot like a hardcore skeptic debate. You guys remember some of the hardcore skeptics we have had here. How frustrating it was because we couldnt prove it. We didnt need proof because we know its real. You guys are sounding a lot like them, demanding proof and not researching yourself. "psionics has never got people interested" ehh....what about psipog? What about the people that joined? Obviously, psionics is the interest in some people. Psionics can be visual - some proof, maybe hard to believe proof, but proof nonetheless. Chakras are ,so far, the invisible thing that people rely so much on. I think psionics is able to be explained...but needs the science, so far, I think we have little known science that could back psionics up. 3 people of pog did a bit of research on the geiger counter and psionics too, erikJdurwoodII talk a sample of what the theory is, sounds quite the interesting theory, plausable at that. (me waits for the article)
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Posted on Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:31 pm
randywm Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 510	Dont be moronic, and quote my whole sentence. Dont edit out the rest just to make your attack on what I said. "Psionics has never got people interested in it because they had proof it exists". Everyone who practices psionics today is because they thought it was interesting, not because they had proof.
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Posted on Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:15 pm
neveza Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 1147	randywm wrote: Dont be moronic, and quote my whole sentence. Dont edit out the rest just to make your attack on what I said. "Psionics has never got people interested in it because they had proof it exists". Everyone who practices psionics today is because they thought it was interesting, not because they had proof. Don't be a fucking prick, I didn't feel like quoteing your whole stupid fucking quote, Doesn't deserve a quote really. I still say what I said. People still become interested in psionics even if there isn't proof, it happens. You said "Psionics has NEVER got people interested..." The way I take what you typed is that the whole fucking world doesn't believe is psionics or become interested becaused there isn't proof.
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Posted on Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:39 pm
DanielH Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 479	randywm wrote: Dont be moronic, and quote my whole sentence. Dont edit out the rest just to make your attack on what I said. "Psionics has never got people interested in it because they had proof it exists". Everyone who practices psionics today is because they thought it was interesting, not because they had proof. Are you sure? I got some of my high school friends interested by giving them books dealing with proof a number of years ago. I'm probably making that up though.
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Posted on Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:57 pm
Lizndax Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 120	It may be because the idea was interesting that people first looked into psionics, but it's having proof that it's not just a fantasy that keeps people with it. How many people stick with PK if they can't get the psi wheel to spin? How many people keep trying to have an OBE if they lose interest in their failure after a month and have no assurance it's even possible? Besides, just how interesting would it be if it couldn't be done? If I told you I could blast laser beams out of my eyes and didn't offer any proof, I doubt I could retain your prolonged interest.
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Posted on Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:18 pm
randywm Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 510	neveza wrote: randywm wrote: Dont be moronic, and quote my whole sentence. Dont edit out the rest just to make your attack on what I said. "Psionics has never got people interested in it because they had proof it exists". Everyone who practices psionics today is because they thought it was interesting, not because they had proof. Don't be a fucking prick, I didn't feel like quoteing your whole stupid fucking quote, Doesn't deserve a quote really. I still say what I said. People still become interested in psionics even if there isn't proof, it happens. You said "Psionics has NEVER got people interested..." The way I take what you typed is that the whole fucking world doesn't believe is psionics or become interested becaused there isn't proof. I can use your logic of typing as well. You said "The whole fucking world doesnt believe in psionics" O you really think so? What about the thousands of people who practice it everyday? See how much I can contort what you say? Anyway when I mean proof I mean in a lab under dilligent watch of many scientists and a report filed after. Dont give me that old video of Russian trying it out either because its not a reliable source. I believe in telekinesis and I practice it everyday. But still thats not proof to someone. Everyone who practices psionics did not have proof of its existence when they started practicing it. They thought it was interesting, not because they had proof. And Neveza your the only one I see being a dick here. You were being moronic by picking apart what I said so you can say something about it. All I was saying is if you were to quote you should quote the whole thing I said, instead of chopping it up to make me look like im wrong. I always have seen you being a dick to someone on here where it wasnt needed. You would cuss someone out just because they dont have the same beliefs as you. In my case I understand, but ive seen you do it many times where it wasnt needed. Why dont you take a look inward before you call somone a dick?
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Posted on Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:48 pm
sgtpsion Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 425	*sigh* Everyone, relax. As has been said before, the concept of Chakras is belief. Nothing more, nothing less. However, there is pretty much universal consensus regarding the location of the so-called "energy centres". This makes it easier to describe certain visualizations. Which is easier to say (and type): "move that psi-ball up to your third eye" or "move that psi-ball up to your forehead, approximately an inch above the point between the eyebrows"? I'd say the former. Just about everyone knows the location of the "chakras". So, IMO, the only semi-scientific use of the chakras is as location terms. Kind of like a psionic shorthand. But the main purpose of this post is to say "Calm the crap down!"
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